Liberal Smugness is bad for America

Posted by: Barthélemy Barbancourt

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Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration. Indeed, all the appeals to bipartisanship notwithstanding, President Obama and other leading liberal voices have joined in a chorus of intellectual condescension.

This condescension is part of a liberal tradition that for generations has impoverished American debates over the economy, society and the functions of government -- and threatens to do so again today, when dialogue would be more valuable than ever.

Starting in the 1960s, the original neoconservative critics such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan expressed distress about the breakdown of inner-city families, only to be maligned as racist and ignored for decades -- until appalling statistics forced critics to recognize their views as relevant. Long-standing conservative concerns over the perils of long-term welfare dependency were similarly villainized as insincere and mean-spirited -- until public opinion insisted they be addressed by a Democratic president and a Republican Congress in the 1996 welfare reform law. But in the meantime, welfare policies that discouraged work, marriage and the development of skills remained in place, with devastating effects.

Ignoring conservative cautions and insights is no less costly today. Some observers have decried an anti-intellectual strain in contemporary conservatism, detected in George W. Bush's aw-shucks style, Sarah Palin's college-hopping and the occasional conservative campaigns against egghead intellectuals. But alongside that, the fact is that conservative-leaning scholars, economists, jurists and legal theorists have never produced as much detailed analysis and commentary on American life and policy as they do today.

Perhaps the most important conservative insight being depreciated is the durable warning from free-marketeers that government programs often fail to yield what their architects intend. Democrats have been busy expanding, enacting or proposing major state interventions in financial markets, energy and health care. Supporters of such efforts want to ensure that key decisions will be made in the public interest and be informed, for example, by sound science, the best new medical research or prudent standards of private-sector competition. But public-choice economists have long warned that when decisions are made in large, centralized government programs, political priorities almost always trump other goals.

Even liberals should think twice about the prospect of decisions on innovative surgeries, light bulbs and carbon quotas being directed by legislators grandstanding for the cameras. Of course, thinking twice would be easier if more of them were listening to conservatives at all.

We see this all too often here. Liberals are so used to living in liberal echo chambers like the Twin Cities that they have lost the ability to even grasp conservative ideas. They then dismiss them as stupid as they have never had to articulate their liberal beliefs before.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a Democrat who predicted that welfare would destroy families and subject millions to government servitude. he was correct and liberals are loathe to admit how damaging welfare has been to our society.

Look at the current debates about issues like Cap and Trade and rationing medical care and you will see the same liberal arrogance mixed with ignorance.

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Kermit
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written by Kermit , February 08, 2010

Which is why I have stopped trying to engage them in dialog. The sad refrain of "You're so stoopid, you don't know history, Sarah Palin, blah blah blah...".

I have more productive things to do with my time. Like clean the sock lint out of my toenails.



Nobody
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written by Nobody , February 08, 2010

Sock lint has become a real problem in this country.


Kermit
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written by Kermit , February 08, 2010

I predict an excise tax on sock lint by 2011. It contributes to global warming.


Nobody
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written by Nobody , February 08, 2010

I was lokking forward to a sock lint subsidy.


Fred
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written by Fred , February 08, 2010

I agree with your opening paragraph. Do you realize it also applies to the mindset at this blog. Therein lies the problem.


Nobody
fred
written by Nobody , February 08, 2010

I'm still working on sock lint.


 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
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written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , February 08, 2010

What problem is that Fred? We bring up points and you and Al5 and Harold totally blow them off as nothing so just as Bart points out the Liberal side has no interest at all in taking the money out of there ears so they can hear something other then brain farts.


Fred
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written by Fred , February 08, 2010

You just proved my point Tim.


Sequel
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written by Sequel , February 08, 2010

Damnit Fred!

it also applies to the mindset at this blog
Sometimes Fred, sometimes.



Odin
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written by Odin , February 08, 2010

"Indeed, all the appeals to bipartisanship notwithstanding, President Obama and other leading liberal voices have joined in a chorus of intellectual condescension."

Perhaps, but it's the intellectual condescension of your Republican leaders that you should find more insulting and disconcerting. College graduate Gretchen Carlson doesn't play a bimbo blonde to appeal to liberal voters, she's talking down to you. When Hannity claims the WMDs that UN inspectors were searching for in Iraq have been found, he's not trying to fool liberals, he's making it clear he has no respect for your intelligence. When O'Reilly defines simple words at the end of his show, that isn't for the edification of liberals. He dosn't think you know those words. When members of the Bush administration repeatedly mentioned Iraq/Saddam in the same sentence as 9/11, that wasn't intended to make liberals believe there was a connection, that was for you.

And you lap it up. How sad is that?



Nobody
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written by Nobody , February 09, 2010

No Odin it's that you don't see the sock lint problem.


Sequel
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written by Sequel , February 09, 2010

Sock lint is one of the pressing crisis of our time.
Something must be done!
It's for the children.



Nobody
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written by Nobody , February 09, 2010

I call for a federal Department of Child Sock Lint. That's what we need and funding, lots of funding!


Barthélemy Barbancourt
Odin brings it home
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , February 09, 2010

So was Sarin gas found in Iraq?

So would the statement that Iraq and 9-11 were big issues in 2002 be incorrect? I didn't link them, I just stated a fact.

Telling your opponent he is too stupid to discuss an issue is an admission that your side is either unprepared or has lost the debate.

I also resent the idea that this blog doesn't encourage debate. For a blog to work, or any media outlet in 2010, it has to catch your attention. The headlines and content here do that for the people that come here repeatedly. In the threads I try to enforce a level of civility.

I also question the sanity of people that read the writings of people they consider to be morons. I don't read the Daily Kos as they are the worst of the far left. I also don't spend any of time on the Free Republic site as they can be the same from the right.

I question why people like Odin, that are convinced that everyone here is stupid, comes here everyday. Move on and debate conservatives that you feel are on your intellectual level, if you can find them. (I'm pretty sure Odin doesn't think anyone on the right is on his intellectual level.)

In short, every time some calls someone else on the blog stupid, they are admitting that they spend their time reading the writings of stupid people. I would say that they is one of the stupidest things anyone can do.



Kermit
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written by Kermit , February 09, 2010

Right after ignoring sock lint buildup.


Odin
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written by Odin , February 09, 2010

"So was Sarin gas found in Iraq?"

In old buried caches for the Iran-Iraq war(s). Those caches didn't contain the WMDs the UN inspectors were looking for. Hannity knows that, he just figures you're too dumb to know the difference.

"So would the statement that Iraq and 9-11 were big issues in 2002 be incorrect? I didn't link them, I just stated a fact."

You didn't link them but the Bush administration did at almost every opportunity, the result being that millions of Americans (mostly Republicans) believed Saddam and Iraq were responsible for 9/11. They figured you were dumb enough to buy into that too.

Are you really that dumb or are you just pretending?

As for the attraction of this site, I think it's mostly the bizarro world aspect of visiting a place where fiction trumps fact , a skewed version of Art Linkletter's Kids Say the Darndest Things. There's enough Republicans here to reach critical mass and form a kind of black hole where knowledge and facts and rationality disappear. And there's a Mean Girls undercurrent to most of your comments that's interesting in these PC times.

It's kinda like having a Jane Goodall/Diane Fossey experience without having to rough it. Studying you in your net-ural habitat provides clues into what makes you tick and insights into more evolved human relations/societies.




Barthélemy Barbancourt
So we agree
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , February 09, 2010

You like to parse words and disparage people but you admit that when people say that WMD's were found in Iraq, they are technically correct. There was another discovery this week of a missile system Saddam planned to use to deliver the Mustard Gas and Sarin gas that was found in Iraq. Saddam played a dangerous game of chicken and lost. His WMD stockpile was smaller than expected but just ask the Kurds if Saddam had WMD's and used them (Opps you can't ask many of them are dead because Saddam had them gassed.)

As for the rest, get real. You are here because we are one of the few sites that puts up with you. You like that people actually try to debate things with you. If you continue to skirt issues and insult people your privileges will be curtailed.



Odin
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written by Odin , February 09, 2010

"You like to parse words and disparage people but you admit that when people say that WMD's were found in Iraq, they are technically correct."

Hannity said we'd found the weapons the UN inspectors had been searching for. He made a big deal of it. He knew that wasn't true but said it anyway. Why is that, do you suppose, if not to fool people dumb enough to believe it?

"You like that people actually try to debate things with you."

People actually trying to debate things with me here would be a welcome change. Mostly all I've gotten are strawmen and pretenders who bluff then fold. I don't skirt issues; most of you either don't understand the points I make or you pretend not to understand them. I'm not sure which is worse.

The estate tax thread in which you accused me of advocating thievery was a good example. Steal from whom? You just make things up and call it "debate." It isn't.



 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
Odin proves himself to be totally irrelevant
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , February 11, 2010

Bart’s post was just to much for Odin to resist proving to our readers that Bart hit the nail on the head

“But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration”

Odin just can’t seem to help himself in trying to prove to anyone who will stop and listen to his words just how super smart he is and how abysmally stupid any one that dares to contradict his massive intellect is woefully out matched.

“This condescension is part of a liberal tradition that for generations has impoverished American debates over the economy, society and the functions of government -- and threatens to do so again today, when dialogue would be more valuable than ever.”

With both his own feet in his mouth he proceeds to lament how we totally lack even a smidgen of his great intellect. He then again tries to remind us not to bother trying to contradict any words he deems appropriate to place before us lowly conservatives, and how we should take the mud out of our ears, and listen while our better is speaking. In hopes we may one day learn enough to be welcomed into his porch to learn how we can gain his grace to offer us more of his drivel that may one day raise our intelligence to the level of a guppy.

“Ignoring conservative cautions and insights is no less costly today. Some observers have decried an anti-intellectual strain in contemporary conservatism, detected in George W. Bush's aw-shucks style, Sarah Palin's college-hopping and the occasional conservative campaigns against egghead intellectuals.”

Odin sits on high decrying highly paid radio announcers as trying to fool us then telling us they look down their noses at us the unwashed masses. While he sits there telling us how great his chosen leader is the one that has never held a real job in his life a phony that is finding out just playing at a job does not help you when you sit at the top trying to figure out how to fix an economy when you have never even learned how to make a small companies payroll. Who is the fool now Odin. It is not us It is the democratic party that put all its eggs in a single basket with a community organizer trying to play as a chief executive. There is no time for on the job training as the president of the United States. President George Bush held an MBA what does President Obama hold? President Bush has ran several businesses has President Obama ever even ran a lemonade stand? I think not who is the stupid one now Odin it sure is not the writers of the Anti-Strib we have more degrees here then Obama has stories to tell about how he was a community organizer.

When you have learned to play in the sand box of ideas why don’t you start your own blog maybe someone might just read it until then learn how to be civil who knows some one just might listen to one or two of your ideas then, because right now all we do is just laugh at you.

Odin what ever you think of us here has no meaning to any of us. like I said in the title you are totally irrelevant. What you think has no bearing on how we spend our day.



Barthélemy Barbancourt
Odin's obession with estate taxes is scary
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , February 11, 2010

Odin is so convinced of his intellectual superiority that he ignores culture and common sense. Ask any American, other than Odin, if they should be able to leave money and land to thier kids when they die and the answer is "Of course!". The idea that all property reverts to the state at the moment of your death is so far out of the mainstream that few people have even thought of it, let alone seriously debated it.

Odin's fetish with his interpretation of natural law is further proof of a part of the left that can't see the forrest for the imaginary trees.

Odin has yet to address why leaving property to spouses is OK or even how joint custody would work in his die and lose scenario. He also needs to address just how he plans to pass this legislation when currently all politicians and Americans oppose even taxing estates under $2 million, let alone conviscating them.

Delusions of grandeur is Odin's middle name. In his imaginary land of Odinistan.



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Delusions of grandeur, indeed.
written by K-Rod , February 11, 2010

"Hannity said... Hannity said... Hannity said... Hannity said..."

Odin, do you get a thrill up your leg when he speaks?



Sequel
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written by Sequel , February 11, 2010

"Hannity said... Hannity said... Hannity said... Hannity said..."

Oh yeah?

Jason Lewis said... Jason Lewis said... Jason Lewis said...



Kermit
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written by Kermit , February 11, 2010

Olbermann said...Olbermann said...Olbermann said...


Fred
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written by Fred , February 11, 2010

What's with the Odin obsession? Move on to something more constructive already. This looks a lot like the Palin "hatred or fear" that is described here on occaision. Let it go....


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written by K-Rod , February 11, 2010

Fred said, Fred said, Fred said... NOTHING.


Kermit
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written by Kermit , February 11, 2010

Palin "hatred or fear" that is described here on occaision (sic)
What on Earth are you talking about, Fred? Seriously.




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